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Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269638 - Tue Jun 04 2002 08:22 AM

> POT TV WANTS SUE ROGERS FOR AN INTERVIEW AND TO POST HER PHOTOS
> OF MICK MOLLICA AND PROSECUTORS CONSPIRING TO GUT PROP. 215 AND HARASS BONA
> FIDE PATIENTS.
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> Please contact Steve Kubby at 604-885-7651 or steve@kubby.com
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> As quoted in the Sacramento Bee:
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> Sue Rodger is living proof that one citizen with a camera can cause a lot of
> trouble. Sue was following a medical marijuana trial at the Sacramento
> County courthouse when she noticed a couple of state drug enforcement
> officers in the hallway talking to a county prosecutor. "They were right
> there in the hall, no jurors were around, so I took their picture," Sue
> said. The cops and prosecutor were furious. They rushed into the courtroom
> of Judge Judy Holzer Hersher and demanded that Sue's camera be confiscated.
> A bailiff took the camera. Holzer Hersher scheduled a hearing. At the
> hearing, Sue claimed she was within her rights to snap the photo in a public
> place outside the courtroom. The prosecutor argued the photo could expose
> the cops' identities. The judge didn't buy it. She ruled if the agents were
> worried about their secrecy, they shouldn't have been hanging around the
> hallway. Sue got her camera back. Film, too. ...




This goes for all Narco-Nazis, send their pictures and names, we will post it. Likewise for Rats like Father Nazarene and Scott Imler, send their pics.......


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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269642 - Tue Jun 04 2002 08:32 AM

Beautiful.

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269656 - Tue Jun 04 2002 09:28 AM

indeed :D

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      #269668 - Tue Jun 04 2002 10:00 AM

Here's a List of DEA offices throughout the U.S.

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269688 - Tue Jun 04 2002 11:05 AM

Why is Scott Imler a rat? From what little I knew of him I just figured he was stupid, and I found his criticisms of Dennis disingenuous...

...but that doesn't make him a rat, does it?

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269729 - Tue Jun 04 2002 12:36 PM

Well I won't say anything bad about someone who helped save my life. That would be bad karma for me.

Let's not be getting all bitchy on each other when we're about to go into battle against the real enemy.

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      #269736 - Tue Jun 04 2002 12:46 PM

If you want Scott's picture, I took one at the vigil for the LACRC club that he organized when our club got shut down by the people who hate all of us, you and me and him and everyone else.

http://www.vasilisa.com/vigil/index.html

You guys have plenty of weed in BC, please have a little empathy for people trying to do their best to survive deep behind enemy lines in the Reich.

Maybe save your anger for the book you can write after the war is over?

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      #269754 - Tue Jun 04 2002 01:45 PM

Scott narked on Todd McCormick and Peter McWilliams, collaborating with the Narco-Nazis, stating to the DEA how Peter planned to be the Bill Gates of Marijuana. Note there was no arrests after Imler's club got shut down, gee I wonder why that was. Check out Imler's statements on MTV, is this a friend to the cause. Sorry, Viperella, but I think it is important for us to know whose who, and if your spouse was facing ten years because of Imler's collaborating with the Narco-Nazis, then maybe you would feel a little different. If you know him, ask Scott yourself what took place, anybody I know who has asked hasn't recieved an answer.

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      #269769 - Tue Jun 04 2002 02:28 PM

In war people have to make decisions that hurt other people. They have to choose to hurt one group of people or to hurt another. It's part of the horror of war.

And your own precious son wouldn't be on this Earth if these awful events had not transpired.

There were no arrests at the LACRC because the DEA never succeeded in planting an agent inside the club because the club's intake procedures were so rigorous and so consistently enforced that all the DEA agents were successfully weeded out.

The club didn't get busted because of evidence gathered from inside the club by DEA agents. The club was raided based on evidence that Scott himself quite unwittingly supplied to a secret Congressional task force that he didn't realize had been formed to target medcal marijuana. And if you listen to Scott's speech at the vigil, you can hear him take responsibility for that fairly whopping mistake.

The US Attorney has taken the case prepared from the evidence seized by the DEA on Oct. 25 to the a grand jury TWICE trying to get an indictment of Scott. The reason why Scott has not been indicted is because the citizens on the grand jury have so far refused to indict him, because they had reams of hard evidence before them that the club never sold pot to anyone who wasn't certified as medically legit.

Rejections from two grand juries in a row is a very embarassing blow for Ashcroft that he is trying to keep quiet. The Supreme Court decision is being quietly nullified by conservative LA voters on the grand jury!!!!

The reason why Scott is free now is because the Bush administration cannot get a group of LA grand jurors to take the case to prosecution.

And for that he should be congratulated, because that is happening in LA, which is the power center of conservative California.

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269774 - Tue Jun 04 2002 02:47 PM

Well the truth of the matter is, that your right if Scott and our mutual aquaintance L.O. had decided not to cooporate (collaborate) with the DEA, Renee and I would likeley never have met. Considering how L.O. burned me of 5 years of work, I do find it ironic that it has been reported to me he was a witness against Todd also,(From Todd himself and others) and that he is also listed as a witness against Renee, I do indeedfind the shituation compiled with ironies. The Lord does indeed work in mysterious ways. Either way, you make a D.E.A.l with the D.E.A.vil, the D.E.A.vil is going to get you. Imler seems to be as guilty of collaborating with the Narco-Nazis, as some Jews were with collaborating with the Third Riech. The fact is Peter McWilliam's is dead, choking to death on his own vomit after being denied his cannabis medicine, Todd McCormick has been suffering in Jail for over 3 years, Renee's case has reached the White House Level and they are basically threatening Trade sanctions if she is not handed over. And who is the Judas who turned them over for the safety of his own club? Defending Imler's actions are like thanking Judas for the crucixion of Christ. I'd love to hear what he has to say in his own defense of this matter, and we can arrange for an interview with the Kubby's on Pot TV if he's interested in stating his side of the story.
Next Direct Action on Pot TV may include a segment with your picture of Imler and a discussion of integrity......


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      #269775 - Tue Jun 04 2002 02:50 PM

Do you folks have anything planned for the June 6th Direct Action?

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      #269777 - Tue Jun 04 2002 02:58 PM

And every day that I wake up to the perpetual reign of harshness that is this war, I remember how wonderful the LA club was and I thank Scott for having given me at least that much island of safety in my life and I feel very encouraged that two grand juries gathered from the people I see around me every day told Ashcroft to shove it and refused to indict him.

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269780 - Tue Jun 04 2002 03:04 PM

Defending Imler's actions are like thanking Judas for the crucixion of Christ.

Um do you remember at all that there are lives of sick people at stake here? Where is the singular personality here who can be annointed as Christ? I don't get this analogy at all. Is Peter Mc Willaims Christ all of a sudden? I don't get that.

His life was never the only one at stake. Lives were also at stake for people who made no choice at all. Peter made a choice. Most people served by the LA club were in the no choose part of the game.

This is like talking about what happened back in the French Resistance where you couldn't save everyone so you made the hard choices and saved the ones you were most promised to save.

So a partisan commander died, and one fighter is a POW and the other is a refugee.

Please don't forget about the village that was saved, becasue I luive in that village myself. I'm in the no choose position. I'm not about to annoint as Christ someone who had plenty of choices and very happily made them.

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Re: Expose Narcs - Send their photos to Pot TV
      #269783 - Tue Jun 04 2002 03:15 PM

Do you folks have anything planned for the June 6th Direct Action?


Scott spent five years fighting for me, so Thursday I'm going to go out and fight for him.

I'm not paying much attention to what everyone else is doing down here because I want to make my own personal statement to those assholes this time around.

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      #269788 - Tue Jun 04 2002 03:33 PM

I'm glad to hear your going to be active June 6th. I wasn't comparing Peter or anybody else to Christ, but rather Imler to Judas. His statements to the American Public on MTV about marijuana being a harmful drug that is abused, but a good medicine for him and his patients, is enough to show where he is at, he is willing to sell good people out to the enemy for a personell victory. Slimey, slimey, slimey. There is an old saying, nobody talks, everybody walks. Imler provided Peter's death song to the DEA, Peter and Todd's crime was befriending Imler. Peter is dead, Todd in prison, and Renee is on the run. Imler, he benefitted, and prey tell, how did betraying Peter and coaborating with the enemy do anybody any good? Peter and Todd were both patients as well. What do you see that they did wrong? Grow marijuana? Sounds like you'd be likely to turn on others if your neck was on the block as well. Integrity is something we should all plan on taking to the grave with us, Scott Imler sold his integrity to the DEAvil, sounds like you suported that decision.

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      #269796 - Tue Jun 04 2002 03:57 PM

His statements to the American Public on MTV about marijuana being a harmful drug that is abused, but a good medicine for him and his patients, is enough to show where he is at, he is willing to sell good people out to the enemy for a personell victory. Slimey, slimey, slimey

If that's his opinion, shouldn't he be allowed to say it? He is a Methodist. That is the temperance religion. Are we suddenly against free speech and free religion and now we're going to operate on party loyalty alone?

Sounds Bolshevik to me. Party loyalty is not what this is supposed to be about. What happened to the freedom part?

Integrity is something we should all plan on taking to the grave with us, Scott Imler sold his integrity to the DEAvil, sounds like you suported that decision.

I never had anything to do with it. I was never informed about it or asked my opinion in any way.

All I said was that I was in the village that was saved. So I benefited from it.

So should I go out and shoot myself right now to erase that stain?

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      #269807 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:13 PM

No, but you shouldn't defend a rat like Imler either.

"He is a Methodist. That is the temperance religion."
You think this somehow justifies Scott's ratting on Peter and Todd? Give me a big break.

Everybody has their right to an opinion. But if they make a statement such as marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug that is abused, in order to make their own medicinal use legitimate, then they are not someone we sould be supporting as a movement. And you will find few in this movement who support Imler. His name is Mud. As Dennis Perron said all use is medicinal. Cannabis is good, Prohibition is bad, period.

As the Herbal Holocaust gets worse and the Narco-Nazis begin their harvest of Amerika's sick and dying, tell Imler and L.O. that "France" is not an option for collaborators and the "French Resistance Movement" here will not be welcoming them if they decide to come our way.

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      #269811 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:18 PM

"He is a Methodist. That is the temperance religion."
You think this somehow justifies Scott's ratting on Peter and Todd? Give me a big break.


I made that comment in refernce to his MTV comments, which were his own opinion that he had the right to make.

Please don't twist my words or take them out of context or I will start to take this very personally.

As the Herbal Holocaust gets worse and the Narco-Nazis begin their harvest of Amerika's sick and dying, tell Imler and L.O. that "France" is not an option for collaborators and the "French Resistance Movement" here will not be welcoming them if they decide to come our way.

So you just told me that I am not welcome in Canada. Good for you.

But Scott was waiting for the grand jury to indict him for many months and he could have gone to Canada at any time and he stayed here waiting for the ax to drop.

But you know, don't forget that the sick and dying being harvested includes me more than it does you.


Between you and me, which is the one of us that has a progressive terminal illness?

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      #269814 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:25 PM

Hi guys. I respectfully disagree with chris on one point - fate and destination could very well have brought u and renee together, irregardless of external world realities. I can think of tons of examples where it would be so, but you know enough about the ways of spirit to know that the power of love transgresses all space, time and reality. My wife and I knew of each other's presence since childhood and the geographic location we were each in. eventually we moved next to each other and instantly recognized each other when we met. it took many strange circumstance to make our paths cross but she is my soul mate and eventually the magnetism of our celestial attraction could ne'er be hindered by a prime material happenstance :)
other than that i agree with chris that all narcs suck and should definately be identified and ostracized, specifically because they are traitors which makes them soldiers of the enemy. I bless and pray for my enemies, if they saw the light of god and were truly blessed with the power of the white light / god, they wouldn't do the wicked evil things they do to us, the little yellow fairy people, the friends of flowers. Despite my prayers for their salvation i will always believe in self defense, narcs are evil Gollum like creatures who certainly shouldnt be allowed the good grace of our company. freedom of association says we can choose to not interact with those we don't want to.
God Bless Peter McW may he rest in peace and love. God bless protect heal and liberate Todd, our poor suffering friend. God bless protect and heal Renee Shiva and Chris, may they be carried in the white light. May the power of the anhk grant them safe passage thru the shift of the aeons. a-ho smudge smoke prayers pf protection come to you and yours with this post. the prayers also extend the all the unknown, faceless victims of this bloody war. a-ho!
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      #269816 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:34 PM

"I made that comment in refernce to his MTV comments, which were his own opinion that he had the right to make.
Please don't twist my words or take them out of context or I will start to take this very personally."
My mistake, I hate it when people do that to me, like you did with your comment "Well you go tell Marc that you just told me that I am not welcome in Canada."


So then do you think justifies Imler's actions and the results from it of Todd's incarceration and Peter's death? If he hadn't decided to collaborate with the DEA, don't you think Peter and Todd would have supported him in any resulting trials against him and the club? We will never know how different the outcome may have been for everybody involved if Imler had any integrity.



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      #269817 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:35 PM

Thank you for your prayers and kind words my brother.

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      #269818 - Tue Jun 04 2002 04:36 PM

Would I have any integrity if I didn't defend the person who has put his own neck before the feds to help me?

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      #269849 - Tue Jun 04 2002 06:03 PM

If he hadn't decided to collaborate with the DEA, don't you think Peter and Todd would have supported him in any resulting trials against him and the club?

He never decided to collaborate with the DEA. He was summoned before a grand jury and asked questions under penalty of perjury. Those are two completely different things.

If you were thinking like a journalist you would have a big Pot TV story now that said

IMLER BREAKS ASHCRFOT'S BALLS IN LA

about the fact that two grand juries have been summoned and so far neither one has voted to indict him.

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      #269865 - Tue Jun 04 2002 06:27 PM

don't you think Peter and Todd would have supported him in any resulting trials against him and the club?

And by the way, so what if they would have supported Scott?

What Scott cared about was not who would support him, but who would support the over 1000 seriously ill people who depended on him.

This isn't some contest about men supporting each other. Part of it is about whether people live or die.

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      #269877 - Tue Jun 04 2002 06:50 PM

One man is dead already and that's Peter McWilliams, who like Todd McCormick was also a patient. How did testifying against Peter and Todd save 1000 patients? It seems like your comparing somebody to Jesus yourself, excepet this Imler-Jesus sacrifices others in his place, willing or not. Narc, Narc. Whose there? Scott. Scott-free that's who and others take the rap.

"This isn't some contest about men supporting each other."
That's pathetic, you had to pull the femenist baggage out of the hat. So women sell each other out and that's OK, is that the message your trying to give here. I know lot's of sisters who will disagre on that one.

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Here's a picture of a fellow who thinks it's OK to cooporate with the DEA and testify against people for growing cannabis and that his medicinal use is OK but if you are using it for any other reason you deserve jail time.
Hopefully for our brothers and sisters south of the border, rats like him are few and far between, as the DEA will use as many people like Imler against us as possible.

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      #269948 - Tue Jun 04 2002 10:14 PM

Well maybe you can a little bit of happiness out of the fact that Scott was just indicted in tax evasion and now faces life in prison.

There will be a press conference and rally tomorrow June 5th at 1pm in front of the WeHo club.

Civil disobedience to follow.

I hope that makes you feel better. Does that even the score?

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      #269949 - Tue Jun 04 2002 10:16 PM

And I'm guessing that since you hate Scott so much, you will not want the footage for Pot TV of this event that I intend to shoot tomorrow on my DV?

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      #269957 - Tue Jun 04 2002 11:03 PM

"Well maybe you can a little bit of happiness out of the fact that Scott was just indicted in tax evasion and now faces life in prison." Life in prison for tax evasion? That sounds a little curious. How much was Scott pulling in at the LA Club and if he was doing everything so legit as he claimed, why wasn't he paying his taxes. Thats one of Marc's secrets to sucess, pay the tax man. (Personally I hate the tax man and think it's plain extortion).

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      #269958 - Tue Jun 04 2002 11:05 PM

How about some footage of the June 6th Direct Action from that area instead, it's in support of patients not Narc Imler.

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      #269973 - Wed Jun 05 2002 12:28 AM

How about some footage of the June 6th Direct Action from that area instead, it's in support of patients not Narc Imler.

Chris I think you are rather out of line to suggest that it is up to you up there in Canada, and not up to the actual patients who are in LA, to decide who and what is in support of the patients here.

I've pretty much canceled what I'm going to do because of the extra work now. The other June 6th action planned is going to be, sorry to say this, very tame and inoffensive.

The hottest ticket in town is going to be at the LACRC today. That is not going to be tame and inoffensive.

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      #269981 - Wed Jun 05 2002 01:13 AM

And by the way, I was narc'ed out pretty big myself in a major way when I was a young successful enterprising soul at 16, and I have known what a real narc is since then. I've had their demon breath in my face and I have worn their handcuffs and sat on thier dirty stairs and spit out their water on the floor.

I had more narcs on my ass at a younger age than most people here on this board, that I can say without blinking.

I'm not just a patient, I've been in the cuffs with the task force on the evening news too.

So I think I've earned the right to protest on this ground too about calling Scott a narc.

You can call him someone who made a decision that you think was very wrong, but I've been taken down by real narcs and I don't think it's wise or fair to call him THAT.

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      #269993 - Wed Jun 05 2002 03:51 AM

And if you're wondering who it could have been who did collaborate with the DEA -- what about the half million people who knew about what Peter and Todd were doing? It's not like it was the World's Most Secret Grow.

Elaine Pagels wrote a great book about the New Testament called the Origin of Satan, about all of the malevolent energy that got started in early Christianity when people forgot the whol meaning of the struggle against the Roman occupation, and started to obsess on who narced Christ to the Romans.

Which in the end was a meaningless question because it was God who did the deed. Father take this cup from me.

But still the Christians spent hundreds of years beating and torturing Jews because they fervently believed that the Jews narced Christ.

They forgot all about the Roman occupation and even started to become it themselves.

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      #270014 - Wed Jun 05 2002 07:16 AM

No danger of that here, we know who the enemy is, and who has collaborated with them. Funny how few of those other "half million" people who knew about the grow testified against Todd and Peter. The only ones I know of are the ones Todd and other sources told me about, Scott Imler and L.O. . But then of course there is people lie Viperella here that think narking on patients is OK.
The origins of Satan begin with the loss of integrity, looks like you've begun that journey yourself Viperella. Nobody in the movement of any integrityis going to cover a Narc Imler protest, your on your own in La La Land.

You must feel empathy for Scott for some reason, and this could be interpreted that unde the same circumstances you would Narc on thers as well. And please stop comparing Narc Imler to Jesus, Jesus never Narced on anybody, he had integrity!
And if you don't like Narc, how about Rat, Traitor, Betrayer, Sell Out or DEA Mole.

How much money does Imler owe in Back Taxes to get a Life Sentence? How much money was Scott the Rat making of LA's sick and dying after he ratted on Todd and Peter? Sounds like we have another case like Father Nazarene, where the biggest concern was maintaining control of the profit from a prosperous medical marijuana club.

There are ots of hero's inthe California movement, Scott is definately not one of them, maybe you should find one of the many with integrity and jump Scott the Sell-Out "Marijuana is a dangerous addictive drug" Imler's sinking ship. Thanks though through are correspondence others have been educated about Imler and you've exposed the wishy-washy nature of your own integrity. Basically your saying it's OK to rat to get out of a bad situation.

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      #270227 - Wed Jun 05 2002 04:59 PM

Nineteen club members have died since the DEA raid Oct. 25.

Is that enough blood to even the score and satisfy your grudge?

If not, then how many more lives do you need?

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      #270229 - Wed Jun 05 2002 05:03 PM


You must feel empathy for Scott for some reason, and this could be interpreted that unde the same circumstances you would Narc on thers as well.


This is one of the dirtiest ugliest nastiest most paranoid unust and hurtful thing anyone has ever said to me in my entire life.

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      #270239 - Wed Jun 05 2002 05:15 PM

I think that under these circumstances I can only leave this board.

You can censor the marijuana news all you want.

There's a hunger strike and encampment starting today, but hey nobody needs to find out about that.

It's only a bunch of sick people that you hate.

So why should anyone else be informed about what's going on in LA?

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      #270244 - Wed Jun 05 2002 05:33 PM

In reply to:

The origins of Satan begin with the loss of integrity, looks like you've begun that journey yourself Viperella.




Holy condemnation. Holy holier-than-thou attitude. A journey to what? This sounds like a line from the Church Lady from SNL. The intolerant like to protect themselves with righteousness IMHO.

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      #270246 - Wed Jun 05 2002 05:53 PM

"Nineteen club members have died since the DEA raid Oct. 25. Is that enough blood to even the score and satisfy your grudge?If not, then how many more lives do you need."

How do you twist that I have a score to settle with LA patients out of what I said about Imler? I totally support patients and if you make them the issue and not a know Rat, then we will galdly play any piece you send. In fact we will even play a piece of Imler, but we will also report his relation to the cases of Todd and Peter at the same time.

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      #270248 - Wed Jun 05 2002 05:59 PM

Well Squilly, Hell is not in my cosmology, so I certainly don't mean that. Evil lies in the hearts of men, and the journey into evil nature begins with the loss of integrity. That is unless you think narcing on and testifying against members of the cannabis comunity like the late Peter McWilliams (who died as a result) and the incarcerated Todd McCormick, is OK.
How do you feel about that issue Squilly?
Here's my self-righteous proclamation
"Though shalt not narc on thy neighbor, for to narc on one's neighbor is to narc on one's self."
Anybody who can't live with that one need not apply.....


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      #270266 - Wed Jun 05 2002 07:03 PM

I take no side here on the issue. I understand your position on this, at least I think I do. We are after all, just words on a page aren't we here? Can someone else's opinion infuriate you this much?

That sounds funny coming from me, we once had little flame war going ourselves a year ago or so. I think Viperella got your message. Let's say I picked up on it. Now, can we all get along?

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      #270368 - Thu Jun 06 2002 04:57 AM

How do you twist that I have a score to settle with LA patients out of what I said about Imler? I totally support patients

You're a fucking goddamned liar. I'm a patient and you don't give the tiniest rat's ass about my survival or well being. You don't give a damn about anyone at the LACRC.

Because Sciott is all you care about. Not me, not my life and not the lives of anyone who depends on him.

You use patients as political props. Someone else to rant about and hit people over the head with. You don't have an ounce of mercy or compassion to speak of.

Here are some patients fighting for survival, who are they standing with? I don't see you in this picture.

Mary Luceym, hunger striker


Pedro Jimenez, hunger striker


His doctor gave him six months to live


The LACRC hunger strikers all in a row


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      #270369 - Thu Jun 06 2002 05:01 AM

Nineteen of my friends die and all you care about is narc narc narc narc narc.

Who were those nineteen people? You don't give a fucking damn because none of them was Scott.

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      #270371 - Thu Jun 06 2002 05:49 AM

I totally support patients and if you make them the issue and not a know Rat, then we will galdly play any piece you send.

Nineteen people died and you don't miss one beat, it's narc narc narc narc narc.

I can't send you anything of mine now, out of respect to the nineteen people you just elbowed aside for your vendetta.

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      #270465 - Thu Jun 06 2002 11:14 AM

"not the lives of anyone who depends on him." Nobody's life depends on Scott Imler, please stop comparing him to Jesus. (Well, in hindsight, maybe Peter's life depended on Imler's not testifying against him, to bad Scott narced).
As for putting it on the line anony-mouse, I've been doing that for more than a decade in BC. A decade ago our pot laws here were more stringent than the US's. Do a search on Chris Bennett and marijuana and see how much info comes up.

Maybe you should try putting it on the line anony-mouse, stop your squeaking and come on out of the closet. Those dying patients need you to bravely and proudly stand up for them as we do here at Pot TVand the BC Marijuana Party everyday. Out of the closet Viperella, don't be a squeaky complaining anony-mouse, stand up for your rights and the rights of the patients you seem to be missing behind your focus on Narc Imler. You are the one focussing on him instead of the patients, not me and it is really sad how you perpetuate the idea to others and yourself, that somehow your survival depends on it.

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      #270614 - Thu Jun 06 2002 05:23 PM

Cover the protest and either don't mention Imler, or if you do, mention that he testified against Peter McWilliams and Todd McCormick and that he cooperated or rather collaborated with the DEA in the investigation against Todd. As well check out his comments on the MTV bit where he calls marijuana a dangerous addictive drug, and play that alongside it.
Imler will not be made a hero of on Pot TV.

>From: Steve Kubby <steve@kubby.com>
>To: Chris Bennett <freeshiva@hotmail.com>
>Subject: FW: Footage of LACRC rally
>Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:46:28 -0700
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>Hey Chris,
>
>I know and trust you. I don't know this person and I've avoided Imler since
>he hung us up on in the 215 campaign. Still this is a bona fide news story,
>so please give me your professional advice on how you'd like to see this
>covered, or not covered.
>
>No explanations necessary, just tell my what you'd like to do about this.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve
>
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>From: anony-mouse>
>Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:09:23 -0700
>To: steve@kubby.com
>Subject: Footage of LACRC rally
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>Dear Steve,
>
>I have really great footage of the LACRC rally and hunger strike but I
>don't think I can send to you, because Chris Bennett doesn't care at all
>about the nineteen patients who have died since the club closed, he only
>cares about whether Todd and Peter were narced by Scott.
>
>I do not want the lives of those nineteen people to be disrespected
>because Pot Tv has a grudge against Scott.
>
>So I cannot send you what I have, sorry. I can't risk it being used as
>some kind of Chris Bennett rant against Scott the evil DEA narc and that
>would be a nasty horrible way to treat the patients, living and dead,
>who have depended so enormously on Scott for these six years.
>
>Patricia
>
>--
>Er nennt's Vernunft und braucht's allein,
>Nur tierischer als jedes Tier zu sein.
> Goethe
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      #270616 - Thu Jun 06 2002 05:27 PM

Imler needs to stop hiding behind patients. Narcing on fellow activists is unacceptable. I'd be happy to see Imler interviewed on Pot TV news, to state his case, and then as well we could have Todd McCormick on to state his. That opportunity is always open.

But why was one person in control of the whole LA Club? Instead of a cooperative who would still have it? Why was the building in his name instead of a collective society? How much money was he making of the patients to get threatened with a life sentence for tax-evasion. There are many questions here.

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      #271065 - Fri Jun 07 2002 09:45 PM

As Dennis Perron said all use is medicinal.

Dennis said it after I said it to him.

What I said was, "Recreation is necessary for good health. Therefore, recreational use is medicinal."

And Dennis saw the elegant simplicity of the logic and to my shock and astonishment began saying it to the press within days.

Of course, we both agreed that in order to secure the center you must push to the left, but I couldn't believe he did that...


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      #271069 - Fri Jun 07 2002 09:58 PM

Well maybe you can a little bit of happiness out of the fact that Scott was just indicted in tax evasion and now faces life in prison.

I don't know the details, but did they use the financial records he kept against him? That's one thing I remember, him criticizing Dennis for not keeping scrupulous financial records. Poor Scott, Dennis was smart enough to know to not give them anything to use against him he didn't absolutely have to.

Another thing Scott didn't seem to get is that by opening up The Club as much as possible, Dennis created a political movement. When The Club was busted 25,000 people (in a city of about 700,000) were affected. Enough to get them, their friends, and their families mad enough to pack the streets with 100s of thousands of people night after night after the bust...oh what a time that was...

I never visited the L.A. Club, but from what I've heard it was very sterile and oppressive. Could you even smoke and socialize there? The creation of community & family at The Club were integral to its success both as a facility for healing and as a political apparatus.

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      #271074 - Fri Jun 07 2002 10:05 PM

Father take this cup from me.

How does this imply Jesus' problems were God's fault?

The words could as well be interpreted as a futile plea - one he knew was futile but in his agony what else could he say?

I think when Jesus said he died for 'our' sins he could just as well have been accusing as forgiving.- j'accuse.

I suppose a wolf would interpret the curse of the lamb as a forgiveness and blessing...

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      #271081 - Fri Jun 07 2002 10:16 PM

"Though shalt not narc on thy neighbor, for to narc on one's neighbor is to narc on one's self."

My crazy-tweaker-bitch neighbor tried to narc on me last week. I showed the police videos of her screaming at me through my window, showed them my plants, and they suggested I get a restraining order (which I now have) and a voice activated recording program to write my book

Unfortunately, last night one of my tires blew about 100 yards outside the parking lot and when a friend and I came to change it the next day we discovered all the nuts were loose as well. And when I got the car to the tire store, I asked them to check...and all the nuts on every wheel were loose.

...I've been going through Hell but I did manage to show the police my pot for June 6th and got a restraining order against the crazy-tweaker-snitch-bitch next door...

Now if I can just get her screaming at me on video once...she lives next door and is required to stay 10 yards from me.

The hearing for a 3-year restraining order is on the 20th. It should be interesting...


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      #271086 - Fri Jun 07 2002 10:25 PM

I think this is all been a very distasteful attack on the Los Angeles Cannabis Resource Centre by Chris Bennett. I understand Chris Bennett has a very personal stake in the McWilliams-McCormack-Bojee situation, of which Scott Imler was asked to testify at the McCormack trial. I understand the controversy.

However, it is also true that hundreds, perhaps more people have been directly dependent and affected by Scott Imler's work on behalf of Los Angeles medical patients and it saddens me to see a patient (Viperella) have to make such a heartfelt plea to POT-TV.net for us to simply cover the action presently going on in L.A. The lady can only talk about her experience, and the experience of her colleagues battling to save the club and rally around the person who has helped them. This is what they are doing. The politics of purity will destroy our movement, and so we must focus on what is happening now, what actions being done NOW and give our solidarity to that.

I don't want anyone currently doing good work on behalf of people in need to be denigrated. Personal grievances may have a time somewhere in our golden future, but as of now, no more name calling or denigrating activists in the midst pof crisis. I expect all staff and colleagues involved in all our media here to be supportive and to bury animosities in favour of movement solidarity.

I admire the lady (Viperella) and it tears me up to see her heart torn up here on these forums while all her energy should rightly go to defending the person and persons who have helped her and her fellow patients. I'm embarrassed about this and I trust all effort will be supportive henceforth.

My apologies, Viperella, please carry on. I await word of your situation, and may Good things transpire in your struggle.

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